Thursday, September 26, 2013

EVE Online: ME research

This post started out as a reply on where someone asked Foo to research the following BPO's for him. This is also where I get the number of 10.000 isk per hour to rent a slot. Research at a POS goes 33% faster so it compares to an empire rental rate of 7500 isk per hour but has no waiting times.

To compare:
Isaziwa (high sec) ME slots are 15.600 isk/hour and available in 93 days.
Auviken (high sec) ME slots are 4163 isk/hour and available in 42 days

Horrkisen (low sec) ME slots are 8162 isk/hour and available in 28 days.
Horrkisen (low sec) ME slots are 2091 isk/hour and available in 25 days.
Tama (low sec) ME slots are 177 isk/hour and available in 25 days.

Hobgoblin I
Cap Booster 50
Phased Plasma S
Incursus Blueprint

Most BPO's have a default waste value of 10%. This means that at ME 0 you need an additional 10% materials as compared to a perfect ME where you have 0 waste.

To calculate ME levels I use
For a manual calculation divide the material with the highest requirement by 5.5. (I use the material requirement including the 10% base waste. Otherwise you could use the materials required at perfect ME and divide by 5 to get the same result.)

A hobgoblin I at ME 0 requires:
504 tritanium so ME 91 to eliminate all (tritanium) waste.
7 pyerite gives ME 1 to eliminate pyerite waste.
4 Isogen and 2 Noxcium means that even at ME 0 there won't be any waste materials of these.

So a hobgoblin has a perfect ME value of 91.

The same way we can calculate the perfect ME levels of the other three items:
Cap Booster 50 blueprint has perfect ME level of 90. (495 tritanium divided by 5.5)
Phased Plasma S blueprint has perfect ME level of 29 (163 tritanium divided by 5.5)
Incursus Blueprint blueprint has perfect ME level of 2400 (13200 tritanium divided by 5.5)

But researching BPO's can be expensive. When using a BPO with a wastage factor of 10% you get the following waste percentages:

ML0 - 10%
ML1 - 5%
ML2 - 3.3%
ML3 - 2.5%
ML10 - 0.9%
ML50 - 0.2%

So researching anything beyond ME 3 to 10 offers very little in return.

MaterialISK puBaseME:0ME:1ME:90ME:91
Base Lab timex1.002h40m1w3d0h1w3d2h
POS Lab timex0.752h0m1w0d12h1w0d14h
Skill & POS Lab timex0.561h30m5d15h0m5d16h30m

At ME 0 the material costs of a hobgoblin I come down to about 4300 isk.
At ME 91 the material costs of a hobgoblin I come down to about 4100 isk.

At ME 10 the waste is 4 tritanium.
At ME 20 it is halved again to 2 tritanium.
At ME 30 to 90 the waste is 1 tritanium.

As I write this the best price if you were to sell to buy orders is just over 4300 isk in Jita.
Sell prices are:
4000 isk in Jarizza (Derelik high sec)
4341 isk  in Amarr
4400 isk in Dodixie
4619 isk in Jita
4639 isk in Rens
5498 isk in Hek

A Hobgoblin I BPO sells for 250.000 isk. If your profit margin is 500 isk per drone you only have to sell 500 drones to earn back the BPO investment.

ME 1 takes 1,5 hours of research for in investment of 15.000 isk. Since you now save 100 isk in waste for each drone build you only have to build and sell 150 drones to earn back the investment in ME research.

It takes about 136 hours to research the BPO to a perfect ME. At 10k isk/hour to rent a research slot this is an investment of 1,36 million isk. With a price difference of 200 isk due to reduced waste compared to ME 0 you need to build and sell 6800 Hobgoblin I drones to earn back the investment in ME research.

The difference between ME 1 and ME 91 is 100 isk material cost per drone and 135 hours of research. 1,35 million isk divided by 100  = 13500 hobgoblin I drones that have to be build and sold to earn back the investment in research from ME 1 to ME 91

My Hobgoblin I BPO is ME 100 (and PE 60). I just calculated the perfect ME level and since it didn't take that long I rounded it up. Looking back ME 1 is the optimal value since it requires the lowest number of built drones to turn profitable and will actually reduce the number of drones you need to sell to make a profit on the original BPO investment.

My Cap Booster 50 BPO has been researched to ME 90 (perfect)
I do not own a Phased Plasma S or Incursus BPO. (Phased Plasma M or L anyone?)

The incursus is an altogether different story though.

MaterialISK puBaseME:0ME:1ME:3ME:6
Base Lab timex1.001d9h20m4d4h0m1w1d8h
POS Lab timex0.751d1h0m3d3h0m6d6h0m
Skill & POS Lab timex0.5618h45m2d8h15m4d16h30m

ME 1 reduces Zydrine waste to 0.
ME 3 reduces Noxcium waste to 0.
ME 6 reduces Isogen waste to 0.
ME 720 reduces Mexallon waste to 0.
ME 2000 reduces Pyerite waste to 0.
ME 2400 reduces Tritanium waste to 0.

ME 0 build cost is 351k including 32.5k on waste materials.
The BPO price is 2.825.000 isk. At a sell price of 381k and 30k profit you would need to build and sell 95 ships to break even on your investment.

ME 1 reduces waste from 32.5k to 16k. Research cost is 187.500 isk for 18,75 hours.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 0 to 1 you have to sell just 12 ships.

ME 3 reduces waste from 32.5k to 7,6k. Research cost is 562.500 isk for 56,25 hours
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 0 to 3 you have to sell 23 ships.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 1 to 3 you have to sell 45 ships.

ME 6 reduces waste from 32.5k to 4,3K. Research cost is 1.125.000 isk for 112,5 hours.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 0 to 6 you have to sell 40 ships.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 3 to 6 you have to sell 170 ships.

ME 10 reduces waste from 32.5k to 2,7K. Research cost is 2.500.000 isk for 250 hours.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 0 to 10 you have to sell 84 ships.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 6 to 10 you have to sell 860 ships.

ME 100 reduces waste from 32.5k to 316 isk. Research cost is 25.000.000 isk for 104 days (2500 hours).
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 0 to 100 you have to sell 777 ships.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 10 to 100 you have to sell 9375 ships.

ME 720 reduces waste from 32.5k to 20 isk. Research cost is 180.000.000 isk for 750 days
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 0 to 720 you have to sell over 5500 ships.
To earn back the investment in researching ME from 100 to 720 you have to sell almost 525.000 ships.

I am not even going to calculate the return values for higher ME values.
Researching to higher ME values is only worth it if your profit margins are very low and you can move large volumes

What is considered an optimal ME is of course subjective but I would place it between ME 3 and 6 for an incursus based on these numbers.

Creating a 1500 run copy of my Hobgoblin I BPO takes 3 hours or 30k isk.
That comes out to 20 isk per Hobgoblin I. An ME 1 BPO requires an investment of 265.000 isk and the ME 91 BPO has an investment cost of 1,61 million isk.

Seems to me my corp mate is better off buying copies from me as he is getting his own BPO even if I ask another 10k isk per copy.

Creating a 1500 run copy of my Cap Booster 50 BPO (good for 15.000 cap booster charges) takes 45 minutes or 7500 isk. Cost to create a BPC is 2 isk per charge.

Shameless selfpromotion in case anyone would like me to built him something or wants copies of my BPO's:

I own about 150 BPO's among ammo, cap boosters, scripts, probes, R.A.M., R.Db, some modules, rigs, 6 of the T1 industrial BPO's, 20 frigate, all 8 destroyer and 18 cruiser BPO's.
Also Caldari Fuel Block, Nanite Repair Paste, Graviton Pulse Generator and Photon Microprocessor.

Another 50 T2 BPC's that I invented but never built, mostly scourge fury, javelin and precision missiles .

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